Part One:
Identify the S.O.A.P.S. for each side of the battle. Label each as Shakespeare and Dr, Seuss.
Part Two:
Identify at least two logical fallacies that each author's side makes. State each logical fallacy and then state why it is a logical fallacy.
Response due before class on Thursday.
Classmate response: instead of a response to a classmate, respond to yourself. Our discussion on Wednesday will have clarified some of the fallacies and the S.O.A.P.S. If you feel that you correctly labeled everything, then congratulate yourself on a job well-done. However, if you want to add to parts One or Two in order to create a more complete analysis, then this is your chance. Your initial response and response to yourself will be graded as follows:
Initial response: 2 points
Following directions in initial response: 2 points
Response to self on time: 2 points
Response to self accurately identifies mistakes in original post (if any): 4 points
Response due by 5pm on Friday, October 24th.
Shakespeare:
ReplyDeleteS. classic writing
O. rap battle
A. everybody/readers
P. Why his style is better than Dr. Seuss's
S. Skakespeare
Logical fallacies:
1. “My rhymes are classic.” This is a logical fallacy because Shakespeare has his own definition of “classic.” What is classic to someone may not be classic to someone else.
2. “I bet you wrote the twilight books too” This is something we know is not true but he uses it to make a point.
Dr. Seuss:
S. clear, understandable, and simplistic writing
O. rap battle
A. everybody/readers/children of all ages
P. Why his style is better than Shakespeare’s
S. Dr. Suess
Logical fallacies:
1. “Even Horton doesn’t want to hear you.” Horton is a fictional character so this analogy is not logical.
2. “You bore people to death.” We know that people can not be bored to death, this is an expression, it is not logical. The Doctor is also making an assumption here. He can’t know (or least he doesn’t provide evidence) that “people” (an absolute in this situation) are bored by Shakespeare.
Congratulations Nathan! I believe I have accurately identified 4 logical fallacies (2 from each speaker). There seems like a lot in this video, but as Jesse said, others have already pointed them out.
DeleteShakespeare
ReplyDeleteS. The overall topic is whether or not Shakespeare is better than Dr. Seuss
O Epic Rap battles
A The audience is people who like Shakespeare
P The overall purpose is to see who can rap better
Logical Fallacies
1. A old white Soulja Boy with no swag. Who is to say that Soulja Boy has swag
2. Writing the Twilight books, we know who the author of that book is.
Dr. Seuss
S Is Dr Suess better than Shakespeare at writing.
O Epic rap battles
A Children, older people
P To find out who is better in this battle
Logical Fallacies
1. Wouldn’t want to read any of the boring plays you wrote. This is a fallacy because some people like Shakespeare and don’t consider him boring
2. You leave the classroom looking like the end of Macbeth. Macbeth was beheaded and they had a coronation party, so this is not correct because Shakespeare shows everyone in the class scene as dying but only Macbeth was dead
Shakespeare
ReplyDeleteS: subject is about his writing style
O: occasion is the rap battle
A: audience would be people watching the rap battle
P: purpose is to determine his style is better than Dr. Seuss
Logical Fallacies
1: "kindergartner high on acid". This is a fallacy because is suggest that kindergartners take hallucinogenic drugs which we know not to be true and is not logical.
2:"never seen a softer author". This seems to be a fallacy because it suggest that Dr. Seuss is a wannabe author, which is not true so it is not a logical assumption.
Dr. Seuss
S: subject is his writing style
O: occasion is rap battle
A: audience is anyone watching the rap battle
P: to determine his style is better than Shakespeare
S: Dr. Seuss
Logical Fallacies
1: "boring ass plays you wrote". This suggest that all plays Shakespeare has wrote is boring. It is not logical because what is "boring" everyone has there own definition of boring.
2: " bore people to death". This is a fallacy because it suggest that bore is the cause of people's death. Which is not logical because is there is no evidence to prove that being bored will result in death.
I believe I have done a good job at locating the soaps and logical fallacies for this epic rap battle. I know that there are more logical fallacies in this battle, but other classmates have already stated them. So I a don't think I need to add anything to my original post.
DeleteShakespeare Rap:
ReplyDeleteS: Writing style
O: the rap battle
A: people interested in history or aspiring writers/students
P: compare/contrast/whos writing is better
S: Dr. Seuss
Logical Fallacies:
1. "My rhymes are classic, your crap is drafted by a kindergartner high on acid." To me this is like a sweeping generalization fallacy because he is giving the opinion that all of dr seuss writings can only be understood by kids who would have to have some type of crazy mind frame to read his books when in actuality dr seuss books are meant for everyone.
2. "You crook, you." I feel that is a fallacy because he is blatantly calling Seuss not original when in actuality his works are completely his own and very original, I feel that best relates to the Non sequitur fallacy
Dr.Seuss Rap:
S: Writing style
O: the rap battle
A: people interested in children's books/history or aspiring writers/students
P: compare/contrast/who's writing is better
S: Shakespeare
Logical Fallacy
1. "You bore people to death." He may or may not bore people, but to death is highly unlikely, so I feel this is a fallacy.
2. "You think your ruffled neck ass gonna rap to that." I think Seuss may have been implying that because Shakespeare wore a ruffled neck it made him a more sensitive writer and therefore isn't up to par with Seuss to compare writing material and work. That is a fallacy like a non sequitur because he is drawing that conclusion only based on how Shakespeare looked.
I think I have done an okay job on identifying SOAPS and logical fallacies but I do think I may need some help with identifying the intended audience and actual audience. I feel I should have expanded more. I feel I have chosen pretty accurate fallacies.
DeleteI missed some. Boring people to death, that is one, there is never been a time anyone was bored to death. Dr Seuss.
ReplyDeleteWilliam Shakespeare mentioned his rap is classic, there are people out there that would disagree. Who defines classic?
Shakespeare
ReplyDeleteS- Classical writing in poetic meter
O- Rap Battle
A- actual: those watching YouTube intended: England 15th century
P- Shakespeare is better than Dr. Seus who is for children on drugs
S- William Shakespeare impersonator
Dr. Seuss
S- Childrens Books
O- Rap Battle
A- actual: YouTube viewers intend: Children from the 1950's to 1980's
S- Dr. Seuss characters
Logical Falsies
Shakespeare
"My rhymes are classic" - hasty generalization
"your're an old white Soulja Boy who has no swag and no gonads" - Post-Hoc
Dr. Seuss
"You bore people to death" - Sweeping generalization
"you leave a classroom like the end of Macbeth" - sweeping generalization
Shakespeare
ReplyDeleteS. writing style
O. competition in a rap battle
A. Those watching YouTube and people who like Shakespeare
P. The purpose is to find out whose style of writing is better
S. Shakespeare
Logical Fallacies
1. “My rhymes are classic your craft is drafted by a kindergartner high on acid,” This is a fallacies because he assumes that his rhymes are classic and that kindergartners are taking drugs which we know is not logical.
2. “You’re not a doctor, I’ve never seen a softer author,” this is a fallacy because he’s saying Dr. Seuss is a wanna be which is not true so it’s an assumption.
Dr. Seuss
S. writing styles
O. competition in a rap battle
A. those watching YouTube and people who like Dr. Seuss
P. the purpose is to find out whose style of writing is better
S. Dr. Seuss
Logical Fallacies
1. “Even Horton doesn’t want to hear you” This is a fallacy because Horton is a fictional character which means he can’t hear him.
2. “You leave a classroom looking like end of Macbeth” We know that this is an expression because you can’t leave a classroom looking like Macbeth. Also that Dr. Seuss assumes that people are bored by Shakespeare’s writing.
I believe I have accurately located the SOAPS and logical fallacies for this rap battle. There are still more fallacies in this battle that I have not stated, but other classmates have already said them. Therefore, I believe I do not need to add new fallacies to my post.
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